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 Post subject: Growth Hormone
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 11:01 am 
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I have made suggestions on numerous occasions that we all get our igf-1 levels checked while on a particluar peptide and post those results. I have done this myself and have posted my results on this board. I have another set of labs coming up on May 10th which includes thyroid levels and test and will probably post those as well. There was a recent thread on before/after levels started by one of the girls. Again this is a good idea. It is one of the few ways we can assess what a peptide is clinically doing.

The other way is, as Don is suggesting, we all put up $$$ for a very expensive procedure just to prove what a product is made of. However, I am only willing do this with a widely recognized real rHGH product like Somatorm or Hygetropin if enough people went in on it (we had this very same discussion on another board), not GHRH or a homeopathic product. In this case, Purepetides is not only claming that HGH from China is marginal (which is a bold claim itself considering that he doesn't even sell HGH) but he also claims that his pituitary-stimulating GHRH product is just as good as real synthetic rHGH. Fine, let him supply the proof. If someone made the claim that his yohimbe Bark Product naturally raises testosterone levels (some say that yohimbe bark does this) equal to that of some AAS compounds, I'm certainly not going to pay $$$ to have his yohimbe bark product tested. But if someone else wants to then that's fine. Meanwhile, I am more than happy to post my lab results of whatever peptide I am cycling on.


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 Post subject: Growth Hormone
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 11:02 am 
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I won't knock this guy for trying to sell a product. Hopefully some people will try it out and post feedback.

Pure doesn't sell real GH but if he carries something that gives results then it is all good.


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 Post subject: Growth Hormone
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 11:03 am 
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GHRH is real enough, but my question would be whether using synthetic, assuming it's legit stuff, will overtax some natural hormone system, i.e., over-stimulation of pituitary if that's possible, or screw up the feedback loop from growth-hormone-inhibiting hormone (GHIH). Probably just a matter of using it right (once its defined what that is).


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 Post subject: Growth Hormone
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 11:04 am 
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I think regular lab work is vital and it will tell you if your brand is working and at the same time give you many other vital #'s.


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 Post subject: Growth Hormone
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If the numbers are there but you dont feel like the product is doing anything, then give it more time or try another product. It's also well-know that some don't respond to GH like others.

Personally, if after 6 weeks of being on a product I don't see a significant rise in numbers, I'm ditching it, unless its very very obvious that I am benefiting from it (eg, fat loss, muscle gains etc). The thing is we all know about the placebo effect and we must consider that as well.


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 Post subject: Growth Hormone
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 11:06 am 
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I have been on both the LR3 and Frag from Purepeptides...also I take 3 iu of jin a day. It's been a month and a half with no noticable effects. Sorry, the only thing I get from the frags is a welt and itch after injection. Nothing bad so I will continue for the full 3 months to see if I get any results. I have plenty of body fat to reduce and so far I haven't noticed anything thou it's hard to tell because I am doing a lot of lifting (for me anyway) and maybe the lack of weight loss is due to increased muscle mass...hey was that elvis in the corner doing bench presses?


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 Post subject: Growth Hormone
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 11:07 am 
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as to hgh,many people don't sure whether it has better quality to use. In the body the actual structure of growth hormone is a sequence of 191 amino acids,according to currently technology,many legital peptide company can synthesize this peptide easily, now and then some of them have less than 98% purity.this product contain many impurity,so it's harmful to health.if you order,please assurance they can provide high purity.


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 Post subject: Growth Hormone
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NEW YORK TIMES

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Growth Hormone: The Secret of Youth or a Cautionary Tale?

By BONNIE DeSIMONE
Published: April 11, 2006

SIXTEEN years ago, a small-scale study of human growth hormone therapy among older men opened a large debate in the medical community over whether it could stave off physical decline.
Since then, the arguments on both sides have become only more passionate. Demands for prescriptions have increased, as has online demand for both legitimate and fraudulent forms of the product, known as HGH โ€” eventually growing into an estimated $1 billion global market.
Because evidence shows potentially harmful side-effects, most mainstream doctors caution against using HGH, except in strictly delineated cases. Other doctors say it is an effective anti-aging weapon.
"This is an experiment going on with unsuspecting people who are living on the hope that this will somehow help them retain their youth and vigor," said Dr. Robert N. Butler, a professor of geriatrics at Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York.
Like many experts, Dr. Butler contends that proper nutrition and regular exercise, especially strength training, will yield equal or better results in building muscle mass and increasing well-being among older patients without the pitfalls of HGH, which can cost up to $20,000 a year and is rarely covered by insurance.
Yet doctors like Dr. Eric Braverman, director of PATH Medical, a center for integrative medicine in New York, defend the use of HGH at low, carefully supervised levels. One of his patients, an 82-year-old retired executive from Long Island, who requested anonymity for privacy reasons, said that daily HGH injections over the last 13 months had repaired some of the damage he incurred from congestive heart failure and overmedication for high-blood pressure.
"I can't walk fast, but I can walk 40 blocks now with no trouble," he said. "I've had virtually no side-effects."
Dr. Braverman predicts that HGH will become more widely prescribed. "I am convinced that it is a core dimension in dealing with the effects of aging," he said. "I have hundreds of patients with experience, and it's rare that they have side-effects. The real danger is that these things are being sold over the Internet."
On that issue, both sides agree.
Human growth hormone is produced and released by the pituitary gland at the base of the brain. The hormone stimulates the liver to produce insulin-like growth factor, or IGF-1. That substance, in turn, spurs normal growth in bones and tissues.
HGH has long been prescribed for children whose growth is affected by kidney disease or other conditions. The hormone has also been used to treat muscle-wasting diseases caused by AIDS.
Growth hormone was harvested from cadavers until the mid-1980's, when researchers began to synthesize it using recombinant DNA technology. Although the process was expensive, it opened up more commercial and black-market opportunities.
The catalyst for the HGH debate was a study published in The New England Journal of Medicine in 1990. A dozen healthy men, ages 61 to 81, were given HGH injections for six months. Among the results: lean body mass increased and body fat decreased; and blood sugar and blood pressure increased. An accompanying editorial called the study "an important beginning," but raised ethical questions and said more research was needed.
In 2003, The New England Journal of Medicine published an editors' note deploring the use of that 1990 study in "potentially misleading e-mail advertisements."
Recent studies have confirmed that the hormone can benefit people with HGH deficiencies, but doctors disagree on how to define and test that condition. The hormone is only effective by injection, doctors agree. It can increase lean body mass and bone density, and improve mood.
HGH doesn't necessarily increase strength, however, and can raise the risk of diabetes and cause swelling, carpal tunnel syndrome and muscle pain. Some researchers fear that HGH could promote tumor growth but no direct causal link to cancer has been established, said Dr. Evan Hadley, director of the Geriatrics and Clinical Gerontology Program at the National Institute on Aging.
Dr. Hadley said that research is being conducted as to whether HGH could help stabilize or reverse declining cognitive function.
In cyberspace, HGH is promoted as a way to shed weight, build muscle, smooth wrinkles, promote healing, relieve chronic pain and restore youthful energy.
These promises can be seductive for maturing baby boomers. "Their expectations of physical activity are much, much higher," said Dr. Paul Y. Takahashi, a geriatrician and assistant professor of medicine at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn.
Many supplements advertised online do not contain any growth hormone, falsely claim to stimulate its production or come with unsubstantiated statements about its benefits.
Heather Hippsley, a lawyer and assistant director of the division of advertising practices at the Federal Trade Commission, said the agency was trying to combat fraudulent marketers by sending warning letters to Web sites and getting misleading infomercials off the air.
Last year, the agency obtained a federal court order compelling two Florida companies to pay up to $20 million to consumers who had bought HGH "enhancers" online.
The debate over HGH therapy escalated last fall as several prominent researchers published a commentary in The Journal of the American Medical Association charging that most prescriptions for HGH in the United States may be illegal. They wrote that the federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act prohibits prescribing HGH to treat anti-aging in the broad sense, as opposed to specific hormone deficiencies resulting from pituitary disease.
The American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine, an advocacy group that says it has more than 17,000 doctor members, wrote a response on its Web site: "At no time has Congress evinced any intent to restrict ethical physicians from prescribing HGH to mature or elderly adults for medical reasons within their sound judgment."
Amid the crossfire, most mainstream doctors advise caution. Dr. Takahashi wrote an article for the Mayo Clinic's Web site outlining the risks and approved uses of HGH, concluding that "more study is needed."
Conservative approaches to HGH therapy are being influenced by an evolution of thought on estrogen replacement therapy, Dr. Takahashi said. Once viewed as a remedy for postmenopausal changes, estrogen is now linked to increased cancer risk.
"We learned a lot from that experience," he said. "It's possible that human growth hormone could allow people to be a little bit better for a little bit longer. The question is, at what price? I think it could be a pretty high price."


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