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Q: How do you educate a physician employed by a Major Drug Company HR department on thyroid adrenal fatigue syndrome? He does not believe it exists. Or more specifically if said individual asks for at least 3 peer reviewed references you present him with over 300 and he still only understands that trauma like septic shock could contribute to fluctuations in DHEA , cortisol etc?? What do you say to this fellow collegue??

Dr David Zeiger
Medical Director
healthWorks -Integrative Medical Center
1165 N Clark St
Suite 608
Chicago, IL 60610

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A2: My book, The Anti-depressant Survival Program, has a section in the middle specifically devoted to how to talk to resistant MD's. It is for patients to use with these MD's.

I think you have to realize that for most people it is not about logic, its about fear of change and uncertainty. Its just the way most people are built. If you can tell him/her about how many people you have been able to help, with these tools, perhaps that would be enough of a 'carrot' to overcome the fear.
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A3: You can lead a horse to water...

Seriously, there are some people who are determined not to open their minds. We don't have can openers big enough. I think the final proof will be seeing our patients getting better and going on to lead productive lives. Their final proof will perhaps be seeing patients getting worse and finally dying, and being able to say "I told you there was no cure."

It's pretty sad. Green healthcare and Green lifestyle - it's the only way to go.

Martha Grout

A4: You give up on him, you don't say anything more, and move on down the highway to another colleague who is open-minded to learning.

Dr. James Livengood

A5: *******I don't think there is anything you can say to this type of ignorance. I believe you are wasting your time, as his pocketbook is more important. He must have left "do no harm" in the deli on a night shift. What is scary to me is there are many doctors such as this doctor and they continue to "practice" medicine!! Very scary thought.

A6: I'd say this person is not going to change. Maybe they have a comprehension problem. I find it easier to educate my patients than to change the system which is too entrenched in the status quo/"cookbook" model of medicine. As patients find relief, many providers will see your wisdom over time as they hear this from their patients. I try to empower my patients to let their physicians know what is working for them that they may not have entertained trying...

Carolyn R. Walker, MSN, ARNP
Family Nurse Practitioner
Owner, Prevention & Healing of Iowa
http://www.preventioniowa.com
http://www.thermographyiowa.com

A7: That's akin to arguing with people that the biblical story of the beginnings of earth is not what should be taught in school. Dogma runs deep but think about it this way, if every thing you were taught in medical school would be held up to scrutiny and challenge by having to believe what we are saying. I worked hard to rationalize what must be going on through the minds of the ignorant/arrogant and finally had to realize that they need to believe they have been treating their patients correctly their entire professional life and that if they start believing in another paradigm (and admit they were incorrect and lied to to promote the gains of big pharma) and they would really have to learn an entirely new system of healing . (not that they had to ignore all the physiology they learned in med school to accept the crap they spew to their patients anyway). If I remember correctly, I didn't think their were too many bright people in medical schools, but they could remember stuff without question. kind of like the military. Give up, try to teach a fish to ride a bike instead that has to be a whole lot easier and you don't have the fish calling you an idiot to your face.
Jeff Baird DO

A8; it's a shame, but until he needs help or is willing to investigate for himself, he can't. also he can't see another way if he likes being employed.

Linda Keeper, RN

A9: As my Grandmother used to say: "None so deaf as those who won't hear!"

You're wasting your breath.
Regards,

David P. Ponsonby

A10: Would you please provide me with the list of references also. I am an MD very interested in integrative health. Thanks

Evelyn Shearer-Poor, MD
Houston, Tx

A11: the same way u teach children,...frequency, intensity and duration

A12: does he believe in aging or does he believe that everything works 100% all the time perfectly? Anything can go wrong and will at the worst possible time--Murphy's third law

If he can disprove any of Murphy's Laws then perhaps everybody's thyroid and adrenal glands function perfectly normally.

Generally, MD are blind to any condition for which a big Pharma drug does not exist. When a drug is FDA approved then for those MD's the condition goes from controversial to proven. If they can't throw a drug at it; then it doesn't exist. They are simply blind to anything that they can't poison or supress.

Anyway why bother trying to educate a stupidly stubborn MD who is imprisoned by his paycheck and cash flow?