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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:43 am 
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Q: Thanks to Garry for his thorough response to the Mullerian Cancer case. I reviewed the same sources previously with same terminal conclusion. It seems counterproductive, apart from a " miracle" to further exorbate the trauma with additional protocols which will not extend the life.

Here is a new case from active MD's: ..stubborn one, he is....

If Garry could comment...this will be a sound heard around the world.
I have not convinced this " MD Internist", also professor at a local university that chelation is anything but " snakeoil". He has been on Lipitor for cholesterol since its offering, and recently had a slight stroke detected by MRI after typical symptoms.
Further examination showed a Carotid artery blocked 80%. His father was dead in early 60's, but he concluded the Rheumatic heart condition of his father was the key factor differentiating his case. He is 62.
He is on Coumadin now, and is scheduled for surgery the 18th of this Month. I suggested he go on oral chelation BCI, plus Garry's :P Vitamin C, also adding Nattokinase to determine if it would break up the blockage, but he is convinced surgery is the only alternative.
I indicated I would pay for a consultation with Garry, but he is convinced there is no alternative to surgery. It is my understanding from tapes, that Garry has indicated that he has never had a patient who was scheduled for invasive surgery related to CAD ever have it, and alternatives treatments are effective intervention.
I will hand deliver a protocol if Garry has a willingness to comment. I will meet with four MD's on Thursday, this party included. We shall be discussing his case...Karl Dennison

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:55 am 
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A1: Dear Doctor:

I am happy to oblige. I simply ask the surgeon to agree to allow the patient to record their consultation and have the surgeon cover a true INFORMED CONSENT where the potential complications are fully discussed with the patient who gets to keep the digital audio recording. Then the surgeon is to discuss the potential benefits of the surgery vs. the risks. Then the surgeon is to inform the patient of the true incidence of similar blockages in the general public at the patient’s age.

Once we have a level playing field with full information available, we ask the surgeon, does the patient have any hypercoagulability issues, from LEIDEN 5 to Antiphospholipid Syndrome? Should the patient be fully evaluated by http://www.thrombosis.net so that the possibility that he has a blood clot due to an untreatable clotting disorder has been ruled out before subjecting him to potentially debilitating surgery? What is the proposed surgeon’s success rate over the past 5 years? How many of his operated patients have suffered any morbidity or mortality related to their vascular disease in the past 5 years. What is the incidence of complications of any sort in the past 5 years related to his operating for this condition?

Then once we have handled that, I simply inform patients that I am not God and that clearly this is a potentially dangerous condition but somehow the simple use twice a day of Beyond Chelation-Improved and Boluoke (or Nattokinase if the correct source) has meant that I have not been made aware of a single fatal MI or stroke in anyone using that basic program in over 20 years. Today in complex cases with the history of a recent small stroke, I would add Beyond B12, one nightly, and ACS 50 sprays bid for 1 month then 25 sprays bid for a year.

I feel then that since I have not become aware of any failure involving the death of a patient, that this will suffice but if my approach were to fail, it would be a first time. That would mean that there are other problems beyond the obstruction, contributing to the picture. I am confident that we would discover underlying undiagnosed conditions such as low grade inflammation/infection, Chlamydia, CMV etc contributing to a total body burden of pathogens that were never diagnosed or treated and/or heavy metals that warranted lowering with chelation therapy.
I always also recommend the the use of IV Chelation, the standard 3 hour or the newer short push approach to handle this type of condition, a series of minimum 30, twice a week. I use Thermography to determine when the stroke risk has been fully addressed by proven blood flow improvement.

I do not believe that the patient should expect that with or without the IV Chelation there will be significant plaque reversal, which is NOT ESSENTIAL to the outcome desired, which is to stay alive and function. Plaque reversal requires deeper involvement with personalized medicine approach and optimizing everything from c- reactive protein and Homocysteine and testosterone levels etc and a total lifestyle program with dietary change, exercise etc.

If that is the plan then that leads to the need for life-time supplementation with Beyond Bone Defense (Vitamin K-2) and optimizing all of the total health approaches, as outlined in my F.I.G.H.T. program (lowering pathogens with ACS and detoxing with Sauna, Zeolite, Fiber, and using my Power Drink to increase health of vascular tissues with all the BIOE’NR-G’Y C and Beyond Fiber, MACA etc to permit my patients to reach their maximum intended useful lifespan.

Sincerely,

Garry F. Gordon MD,DO,MD(H)
President, Gordon Research Institute
http://www.gordonresearch.com


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:57 am 
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A2: Dear Karl,

As has already been discussed the whole cholesterol and Lipitor discussion is meaningless unless at the very least an LDL/HDL particle size test has been done. Statins don't lower small particle LDL nor raise the beneficial HDL-2 subfraction. When testing particle size,
one would see that statins really have no therapeutic benefit except maybe for their anti-inflammatory effect. However, most doctors and cardiologists are still stuck to 1970's lipid testing, i.e., the "standard" fasting cholesterol panel = total Chol, total HDL, triglycerides, and a calculated total LDL. Really, its almost meaningless data without the further break down of sub particles. Most conventional doctors are still in the dark ages, and Big Pharma doesn't want you to know the difference, which is why Medicare and most insurance companies will not pay for screening particle density size tests. (Berkeley Heart Lab, Quest VAP...etc.)

Ron Manzanero, MD
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