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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 9:28 am 
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Q: Greetings,

I would appreciate input regarding a patient of mine, 42 yo cauc female, 240 pounds who has been chronically ill. She has diabetes which behaves in an unusual manner. Her Hgb A1C is 11.6 She checks blood sugars routinely and they run at 250 fasting on rising. When she eats, the blood sugar is 250 an hour later. She checks it later while fasting and it is still within 5 points of being 250. Essentially no change in blood sugars through the day whether she eats or not. We have had her use two different blood glucometers and the numbers tally with each other, and they are similar to what is at the lab.

Blood sugars until recently tended to decrease as the day went on, ie. numbers after breakfast were lower than when fasting, and numbers in the evening were lower than fasting in the am. Now they are almost flat.

She does have a very impaired Phase 1 detox which we are working on. Insulin fasting is 24. Any insights into this, for me at least, unusual blood sugar presentation would be greatly appreciated.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 8:41 am 
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A1: Rick,

She has severe Insulin resistance. I would check a one and two hour post meal glucose along with an insulin level just to make sure her pancreas is indeed functioning. with such an elevated A1C and high post prandial glucose she needs to cut the refined carbs out of her diet and if possbible -- if she is not too ill -- do some weight resistance exercise daily. She may need something to enhance her insulin receptors such as Metformin. (stay away from Avandia/Actos).
The usual micronutrients like chromium polynicotinate 800mcg-1000mcg, with alpha lipoic acid 600mg to800mg, Vanadium and so on can help.

If her pancreas is not really working post prandially, she probably should go on some insulin...BUT, still reduce or eliminate all refined carbs. Stick to lots of green veggies, nuts, seeds, eggs, lean meats, berries, and some whole grains based foods depending on her 2 hour post prandial responses to these. Get off potatoes, fruit juices, sugars, wheat flour foods, corn starch, white rice, et cetera.

If she needs insulin, then she needs to see someone competent to initiate this. (It really sounds like she'll need insulin as her baseline blood glucose levels are too high.) I prefer a split dose of Lantus insulin for long acting basal insulin, along with shots of regular (fast acting) insulin before meals. all of this needs to be closely monitored and she will need lots of instruction on how to do this. That is why I say a competent doctor. By the way, once she starts getting on a proper low glycemic diet and loses weight, her need for insulin will probably go down. However, I should add, that adding Insulin without eliminating the refined carbs in her diet, will only make her gain weight. INsulin is a storage hormone.
She needs to start losing weight as the obesity will make her insulin resistance and diabetes worse. Hence the lower carb diet and exercise. My suspicion is that her diet has been horrible for decades and high in refined carbs and she has not had much exercise. (if you pump in the glucose and stay inactive, you are following the blue print of the pre-hibernating bear, and will convert all of this to triglycerides and store it around the waist/belly area. No fat cheetahs on Natl. Geo! They're carnivores and no carb eaters. )

Ron Manzanero,MD
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:01 am 
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A2: Dear Rick Wilkinson,
Get her off the artificial sweetners if she is taking anything .Check liver fx., kidney fx etc if not already done. Watch hematocrit as blood cells will tend to get sticky.Can lead to stroke.
Also watch fruit intake. Watch food combining , by that if she should eat any carbs(fruit included) they need to be injested before her proteins. Eat protein(eggs,meat ) and vegs far away from carbohydrates, with very little liquid. Limit carbs all together in my opinion I would remove these entirly until stable.. Check chromium and vanadium levels Found in cinnamon and cayenne pepper (Get well the easy way Wayne Green)This is for pancrease to release insulin in response to glucose..Fats-Oil_Omega 3 essential to transport glucose into the cell. Extra virgin olive oil 3 TBLS daily,as well as butter 1/4 to 1/2 stick a day. Remembering that our cell membranes are made up of fat. We need to support this for effective transport into and out of the cell. Adequate hydration with a good water source is impairative..I recommend http://www.rockymountainsbest.com- hyperhydration water .Make sure the bowel is functioning for adequate detox/absorbtion, probiotic essential .Unfortunatly if insulin--glucose levels remain high liver damage results and this leads to more problems.Have her write done everything she puts in her mouth for a week and when /how and you will probably find your culprit. Good Luck-Dr Diane Meyer


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A3: She's hypothyroid.Look up info on Glut 4 receptor which requires T3 for activation.The rheostatic decline in thyroid function is the reason for the rheostatic increase in insulin resistance.
Roby Mitchell M.D.(Dr Fitt)


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A4: Unfortunately it is all that strange. She is likely going to go into more aggressive beta cell failure soon. I would suggest first to decrease fasting numbers. She looks like an urgent Lantus candidate to me. It looks like the best approach a this time to preserve whatever beta-cell function there is left. Alternatively you might consider something like Januvia... Such numbers seem to indicate liver involvement with enhanced glycogenolysis and cessation of phase 1 insulin secretion.
Yulia Brockdorf, RD, LD, CDE


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A5: Rick,
your query is interesting technically, but academic to the patient.
The blood sugar level is not her problem, it is her gross obesity, which is self induced and self maintained.
what matters more is:
what meds/supplements is she on?
what are her basics calorie salt and fat intake, stress, activity, blood pressure, insulin, cortisol, thyroid , sex hormone levels?
how compliant is her diet since she is almost 100lb of fat and water overweight?
what are you and she doing about reducing her obesity gradually?
obviously as soon as you do that, her blood glucose will fall.
neil burman http://www.healthspanlife.com


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A6: Does your patient have amalgam fillings for mercury toxicity? A patient of mine with brittle diabetes seems to be resolving as she has her amalgams replaced.
Dr. Carolyn Dean M.D., N.D.
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A7: I'd look into Candida -- it's possible that if Candida is treated (and protocol followed) BS issues may go away. Mgreen



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A8: what medical therapy is she on?


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